HockeyBuzz Hotstove: Top-5 wingers in the Western Conference?

poop. I forgot to add Claude Giroux.

poop. I forgot to add Claude Giroux.
- AdamFrench

Well hes eastern conference so you're fine.

I am super excited to see what Laine becomes. Ovi gets his goals from constantly just shooting at the net. It seems like Laine picks his spots with 100% accuracy.

poop. I forgot to add Claude Giroux.
- AdamFrench

haha, yesterday's Giroux-fest. I'll take the blame for that one.

Sorry!

1. Laine
2. Wheeler
3. Nino Niederetter
4. Gaudraeu
5. Tarasenko

poop. I forgot to add Claude Giroux.
- AdamFrench

Glad to see Wheeler finally get some love, what an incredible player.

My top 5:

Wheeler
Kane
Gaudreau
Laine
Benn

I can't believe Auston Matthews doesn't rank top 5 on anyone's list. It's ridiculous.

I can't believe Auston Matthews doesn't rank top 5 on anyone's list. It's ridiculous.
- TheMussel

At least no one went off the board with a crazy pick like Nino Niderreiter.

Giroux.

Played a game in San Jose's arena last year.

Can't go wrong with any of those guys. Think Boeser should get some mention though, probably would if he had played the full season.

At least no one went off the board with a crazy pick like Nino Niderreiter.
- Scabeh

You mean the guy who has been in the league for 5 years with a career high of 57 points. Def rather have him than gaudreau or tarasenko

Can't go wrong with any of those guys. Think Boeser should get some mention though, probably would if he had played the full season.
- mgriffen

Rantanen could be up there if he can repeat next season and prove he's not just riding McKinnon's coattails.

You mean the guy who has been in the league for 5 years with a career high of 57 points. Def rather have him than gaudreau or tarasenko
- bluenote31

His corsi is probably amazing.

Like Cody Franson Amazing.

Rantanen could be up there if he can repeat next season and prove he's not just riding McKinnon's coattails.
- TheMussel

Agreed.

Same with Boeser playing a full season.

Kyle Connor could also jump into that discussion sooner than later.

I can't believe Auston Matthews doesn't rank top 5 on anyone's list. It's ridiculous.
- TheMussel

That's only because they didn't ask Tanner to contribute this time.

Needs more Tatar.

Rantanen could be up there if he can repeat next season and prove he's not just riding McKinnon's coattails.
- TheMussel

the fact that Rantanen produced at the same pace when MacKinnon was out wiht an injury for those 10-11 games.

I think hes just fine, dont you worry about my Rants

That's only because they didn't ask Tanner to contribute this time.
- jmatchett383

As they never should ask him to contribute ever again. That's just my personal bias and because I'm not a fan...

1. Laine
2. Wheeler
3. Nino Niederetter
4. Gaudraeu
5. Tarasenko
- james_tanner1

So yesterday it was Marner over Giroux and Marchand (and one of the reasons was Marner is more entertaining and Giroux is boring - I'm confident Flyers fans were entertained by his 100+ points last year) and today it's (frankin) Nino?
Being contrarian doesn't give one credibility...even when they get 1 in 20 correct. It just provides further evidence that the previous 19 opinions were poorly formed

So yesterday it was Marner over Giroux and Marchand (and one of the reasons was Marner is more entertaining and Giroux is boring - I'm confident Flyers fans were entertained by his 100+ points last year) and today it's (frankin) Nino?
Being contrarian doesn't give one credibility...even when they get 1 in 20 correct. It just provides further evidence that the previous 19 opinions were poorly formed
- Takemedrunkimhome

Come on, I said nothing about Giroux being boring, and I don't think you should be attacking anyone's credibility if you can't at least stick to the truth in your criticisms.

Nino is ranked where I ranked him because while providing arguably the best defense in the league for a winger, he outscored the pace of Sidney Crosby and Tyler Seguin at even strength.

If I'm being contrary it's because I don't think people factor in defense in their ratings, and not just for the sake of it. Power Play aside, Nino scores almost as much as the wingers on these lists while preventing far more goals.

Nobody says my opinion is the law, it's just what I think. Maybe it's crazy, but the statistical argument in favor of Nino's overall impact, especially if you ignore the power-play (which you should because team's score roughly 20% of the time regardless of who they have, since all first line players on all teams are pretty amazing on the PP) then Nino is even better.

Also, not for nothing, Marian Hossa, the former best defensive winger in the NHL, went to three straight Cup Finals and Five in total, winning three.

Maybe Nino is no Hossa, but the value of this type of player is massively underappreciated.

Today @ 11:25 AM ET


1. Laine
2. Wheeler
3. Nino Niederetter
4. Gaudraeu
5. Tarasenko


Tamsyyyyyy.......come on. Must you derail these conversations with your click bait nonsense....

I like how your hot-take is always buried amidst more logical points

"Well, it's been a really dry summer so far, the price of gasoline continues to escalate, the holocaust never happened, and NFL pre-season is really ramping up. See you guys!"

Come on, I said nothing about Giroux being boring, and I don't think you should be attacking anyone's credibility if you can't at least stick to the truth in your criticisms.

Nino is ranked where I ranked him because while providing arguably the best defense in the league for a winger, he outscored the pace of Sidney Crosby and Tyler Seguin at even strength.

If I'm being contrary it's because I don't think people factor in defense in their ratings, and not just for the sake of it. Power Play aside, Nino scores almost as much as the wingers on these lists while preventing far more goals.

Nobody says my opinion is the law, it's just what I think. Maybe it's crazy, but the statistical argument in favor of Nino's overall impact, especially if you ignore the power-play (which you should because team's score roughly 20% of the time regardless of who they have, since all first line players on all teams are pretty amazing on the PP) then Nino is even better.

Also, not for nothing, Marian Hossa, the former best defensive winger in the NHL, went to three straight Cup Finals and Five in total, winning three.

Maybe Nino is no Hossa, but the value of this type of player is massively underappreciated.
- james_tanner1

Quote from the other article:

"I'm ranking ahead of some currently better but more boring players like Stone and Giroux and Marchand."

Want to try again? Because you seem to think I have trouble sticking to the truth in an argument...

i don't want to be a polemicist here but i think i would go, as for myself, with:

Tarasenko
Gaudreau
Kane
Laine
Benn

Discuss.

Quote from the other article:

"I'm ranking ahead of some currently better but more boring players like Stone and Giroux and Marchand."

Want to try again? Because you seem to think I have trouble sticking to the truth in an argument...
- Takemedrunkimhome

So everyone is boring in comparison to Marner, even me. What's your point?